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Question Time for Denialism

The BBC finds the right way to counter Holocaust deniers: You have the public question them.


BNP member and Holocaust denier Nick Griffin was recently a guest on BBC's "Question Time" defending his position and taking abuse from the program's audience.
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The “last Nazi trials” weren’t even under way in Europe last October when the BBC put a Holocaust denier from the far-right British National Party, Nick Griffin, on TV. He was clean-scrubbed but nervous, a pasty plump man in a blazer and tie, and since the program was called Question Time, he endured a lot of right-minded abuse from the audience.

But why was he on TV at all? The BBC said it let Griffin participate in its political talk show because his party had polled well in a recent election. The BNP, like a German neo-Nazi party called the National Democratic Party, has won some grassroots support over the last few years from voters who are fed up with mainstream politicians. The BBC claimed, in so many words, that it might be good to put Griffin on TV and give his ideas a brisk whack with a broom handle. Griffin himself said he was “the most hated man in Britain,” and Question Time, accordingly, scored record ratings.

Holocaust denial is as old as the Holocaust itself, but in Europe as well as the United States, the age for “questioning” it — for treating deniers as the other side of some legitimate debate — may be on us. The story of the gas chambers is so ghastly that the mind almost resists it as a tale, the World War II generation is dying apace, and for politicians who find the memory of Nazi genocide an inconvenient barrier to their ambitions, a concerted attack on history works surprisingly well.

So what’s the proper response to the public denial of proven fact? Nick Griffin, in the past, has called the Holocaust a “Holohoax” and claimed the history of the gas chambers was “a mixture of Allied wartime propaganda, extremely profitable lie, and … witch-hysteria.” For this alone he could be arrested in Germany. In fact, more than a dozen European countries have tried to resist far-right extremism by outlawing behavior ranging from “racial incitement” to flat Holocaust denial.

These provisions strike people in America and Britain as shocking exceptions to free speech. They are; but then continentals are closer to the scene of the crime. In fact, Holocaust denial is most prominent in the eastern nations and Soviet republics where most of the killing occurred. Not just Poland, but Ukraine, Belorussia, Romania, Hungary and former Czechoslovakia saw most of their Jewish populations wiped out by Hitler’s archipelago of death camps. The Soviet gulags stood on some of the same territory, and in these long-suffering places, Moscow saw no reason to revive memories of Jewish sacrifice. Generations of Eastern Europeans learned, instead, about the heroic Russian struggle against the Nazis.

The result is that Holocaust revisionism takes root easily in Eastern Europe — even if most of the “scholarship” comes from the West. All it takes is for someone, somewhere, to claim the Holocaust never occurred, and then politicians can claim “historians disagree” on this or that. The Internet, of course, can spread denial like a kindergarten flu. But Western revisionists could influence other parts of the world even before the fully wired age. “English and American scientists are contesting the Holocaust itself,” claimed a Romanian nationalist named Tudor Vadim in 1994, “providing documentation and logical arguments proving that the Germans could not gas six million Jews, this being technically and physically impossible.”

Real scholars don’t disagree about an intentional Nazi Holocaust, with gas chambers, just as they don’t argue about the reality of World War II. But the freely speaking chorus of authorities shouting down crackpots like Nick Griffin in the West becomes a distant roar by the time the denialists’ calculated lies reach Belgrade or (more dangerously) Beirut.

From that point of view, the European approach of outlawing denial seems reasonable. Actually, though, the problem in Eastern Europe should point the West away from a nervous clampdown on free speech, since the roots of it are Stalinist and totalitarian. The whole point of a Western government is that it has little power to dictate discourse. “It is a poor service to the memory of the victims of the Holocaust to adopt a central doctrine of their murderers,” Noam Chomsky once wrote in defense of a French Holocaust denier’s right to air his views.

Most Holocaust memorial groups say the real bulwark against denial is not a law but an attentive public. When Germany’s NPD signed up in 2005 for a march through Berlin, a whole spectrum of opposition groups stood in the way. The police counted more counter-protesters than neo-Nazis and called off the event due to “riot danger.” This ritual repeats itself every so often in Germany. The NPD boys get to stroll out with their slogans and signs, and the cops tolerate them even if they aren’t allowed to walk very far. It’s a sort of street referendum. The real moment to fear isn’t the debut of Nick Griffin on mainstream Western TV; it’s the languid, lazy afternoon when no one turns out to holler back.

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  • David Jones

    Here in the UK we have a legal system which has to prove a person’s guilt before a jury. A simple question: if all of the evidence for the Holocaust ie witness evidence (excluding evidence extracted by torture), documentary, forensic, photographic, historical evidence, etc was placed before a jury, what would be the outcome? Would the case be proven?

  • David Jones

    Further to my earlier post – I was referring specifically to evidence for the use of mass gassings and the systematic use of gas chambers, not to the general treatment of European Jewry during that period.

  • Anonymous User

    This is all outdated stuff. Mr Griffin is in the process of de-programming himself of the racism he was brainwashed with from birth and is reforming his party. His position on the Holocaust is that he now accepts it completely and calls it the worst crime of the last century. He also deplores the de-legitimisation of Israel by the current one party state in Britain and was the only European party leader to give full support to Israel during operation cast lead. When asked about it he said “Israel has every right to do what is necessary to protect herself against terrorists.Mr Griffin believes that Israel is a model for all nationalist states; she controlls immigration, defends and secures her borders and enshrines her religion and culture, something he hopes to do for Britain when he is elected. However due to an official non-official ‘no platform’ decision by the British National union of journalists we are not allowed to hear Mr Griffins views in the UK and all media are distorting news about him in support of the NUJ plea.

  • David Jones

    The “official non-official ‘no platform’ decision by the British National union of journalists” is a disgrace, is being exposed more and more, and we do not need the establishment media anymore, the internet bringing access to news. That Griffin’s views are so scary to the elites tells all.

  • Charles Weinblatt

    Whenever we stand up to those who deny or minimize genocide we send a critical message to the world. As we continue to live in an age of genocide and ethnic cleansing, we must repel the broken ethics of our ancestors, or risk a dreadful repeat of past transgressions. We know from captured German war records that millions of innocent Jews were systematically exterminated by Nazi Germany – most in gas chambers. These facts have been proven repeatedly through countless thesis and dissertation research papers. Virtually every PhD in the world will stake their career on the veracity of known Holocaust facts. Despite this knowledge, Holocaust deniers ply their mendacious poison everywhere, especially with young people on the Internet. Such deniers have only one agenda – to distort the truth in a way that promotes antagonism against the object of their hatred, or to deny the culpability of their ancestors and heroes. Museums and mandatory public education are tools to dispel bigotry, especially racial and ethnic hatred. Books and films can reinforce the truth of past and present genocides. They help to tell the true story of the perpetrators of genocide; and they reveal the abject terror, humiliation and degradation resulting from blind loathing and prejudice. It is therefore essential that we disclose the factual brutality and horror of genocide, combating the deniers’ virulent, inaccurate historical revision. We must protect vulnerable future generations from making the same mistakes. A world that continues to allow genocide requires ethical remediation. We must show the world that religious, racial, ethnic, gender and orientation persecution is wrong; and that tolerance is our progeny’s only hope. Only through such efforts can we reveal the true horror of genocide and promote the triumphant spirit of humankind.Charles WeinblattAuthor, “Jacob’s Courage”http://jacobscourage.wordpress.com/

  • Anonymous User

    Obviously, “the proper response to the public denial of proven fact” is to face the “fact” that “The Holocaust” is not “proven fact.” It is a myth that has poured and continues to pour an endless flow of billions upon billions of non-Jewish fraudulently obtained money into the coffers of organized Jewry and grants Jews–especially Israelis–full immunity from blame for unrestrained crimes of violence.The people who you call “Real scholars” [who] don’t disagree about the Jewish version of The Holocaust myth and its constellation of fanciful elements are not scholars at all. They’re just making money the easy way.

  • Michael Scott Moore

    People who witnessed and survived the Holocaust are not just well-documented enough for any court of law, but still around. This really isn’t up for debate in Germany, where I live, and not because of the laws — I mean the debate doesn’t even occur in secret, among average people. The Holocaust is part of everyone’s awareness here. Only from a comfortable distance can it seem “fanciful.”

  • Michael Scott Moore

    Also, Griffin has not “accepted the Holocaust completely,” as far as I’m aware. Shortly before he went on Question Time, he did try to deny he’d ever denied it. When Kenan Malik challenged him on his “Holohoax” remark, he said, “I’ve changed my mind on some of those points, but I cannot talk about these. I can’t tell you what I used to believe, why I’ve changed my mind on some things, and what I believe now. I’m not allowed to by European law.” Nonsense. No European law would keep him from renouncing his old opinion, as Griffin well knows. http://www.kenanmalik.com/tv/analysis_bnp.html

  • David Jones

    Here in the UK over Christmas, TV aired the movie “The Pianist”, which seemed to me to have been very cleverly crafted with mini scenarios showing Hollywood actors posing as Germans, doing horrible things to Jews. For example, the woman who accidently suffocated her baby to avoid detection, the cripple thown along with his wheelchair off a high balcony, an old man eating spilled food off the floor, men being forced to lie down and be sytematically shot in the head etc etc. Very powerful pro Jewish propaganda, gratuitous violence for its own sake. Do we ever see movies about Bolsheviks and Communists murdering Russians, or Chinese communists ill treating THEIR people? Very rarely. Little wonder no one dare challenge the veracity of the Holocaust story. I cannot imagine what German people think about the sheer libel against their own people, by a race who perpetuate a system of Apartheid in Israel, who use Nuremberg type laws against intermarriage and who carry out atrocities against people in the mid East. That’s where the Holocaust comes in handy, to deflect criticis. Any history which requires laws to keep it going must realise it is based upon lies and misinformation.

  • Michael Scott Moore

    That’s just the point: Germans as a whole don’t believe it is a libel, because too many of them have relatives with personal memories of the Holocaust. Germans may be sick of hearing about it from outsiders, but as a people they can’t deny it happened.

  • David Jones

    Michael Scott Moore – I take issue with the entire tone of your article. Evidently you easily fit into the standard mould for people who want to succeed in the controlled mass media – ie blindly “anti racist”, liberal, politically correct, and biased against nationalism and groups like the BNP (Nick Griffin “pasty and plump” “…he endured a lot of right-minded abuse from the audience” etc. When can abuse in a political debate ever be “right minded”, I wonder?). Most of the indigenous people of Britain can trace their ancestry back to the first hunter gatherers at the end of the last Ice Age 12,000 years ago, yet we are systematically and cynically being replaced by a seemingly endless supply of Third World immigrants who may well eventually replace us. We do not want to end up like the indigenous populations of the US, Canada and Australia and the BNP is the only political party to use the democratic process to prevent this uncalled for situation. That has nothing to do with “Nazism”. School kids are given free trips to Auswizch to view the fake “gas chambers”, and told “this is what will happen if you oppose immigration” – oh, and don’t vote BNP”. We have our own version of the Holocaust – St Stephen Lawrence. I suggest your ad hominem attacks on griffin and the BNP are a disgrace and a fundamental sign of weakness – you WILL be exposed.

  • Michael Scott Moore

    Mr. Jones, I think you’ve just exposed yourself.

  • David Jones

    “Mr. Jones, I think you’ve just exposed yourself” – really? Exposed myself as what, precisely? A person who is concerned about the diminishing social cohesion in the UK due to enforced diversity, mass immigration and a corrupt, media controlled elite? Let me tell you, Mr Michael Scott Moore, that your opinions which conflate nationalism and patriotism with Nazism, are not just incorrect but are wicked too, and work against indigenous people. Your grasp of detail is suspect – eg “…Griffin himself said he was “the most hated man in Britain,”….” – no he did not. He said “..the most hated man in Britain, amongs neo Nazis”. A big difference. Anyway, Mr Scott Moore, keep remembering the First Rule of Journalism – “never let the facts get in the way of a good story”, be a good boy, and I’m sure you will get up that greasy pole.

  • Anonymous User

    Am I dense? To quote this article: “It is a poor service to the memory of the victims of the Holocaust to adopt a central doctrine of their murderers,” Noam Chomsky once wrote in defense of a French Holocaust denier’s right to air his views.”… Am I dense? As far as I can interpret, Chomsky is NOT remotely defending any denier, in fact, the opposite… Why on earth would you (Miller-McCune) approve this blatantly vague double-speak?? (At the very least, provide more context!) Seriously not impressed with you right now, sounds more like subversive, apologist branding…

  • Michael Scott Moore

    Context for Chomsky is here: http://www.chomsky.info/articles/19810228.htm I didn’t mean to write that he defended Robert Faurisson’s views, and I didn’t, in fact, write it.

  • Anonymous User

    You really do write rubbish, the same old lies that are being peddled by the British one party state who are now the fascists the bnp must seek to remove at the ballot box.