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Morals Authority

Liberals and conservatives conceive of morality in decidedly different ways. Jonathan Haidt has mapped out their competing ethical universes in hopes they can learn to peacefully coexist.


Professor Jonathan Haidt has mapped out liberals' and conservatives' competing ethical universes in hopes they can learn to peacefully coexist despite the fact that they conceive of morality in decidedly different ways. (Eliot Crowley)
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Jonathan Haidt is hardly a road-rage kind of guy, but he does get irritated by self-righteous bumper stickers. The soft-spoken psychologist is acutely annoyed by certain smug slogans that adorn the cars of fellow liberals: “Support our troops: Bring them home” and “Dissent is the highest form of patriotism.”

“No conservative reads those bumper stickers and thinks, ‘Hmm — so liberals are patriotic!’” he says, in a sarcastic tone of voice that jarringly contrasts with his usual subdued sincerity. “We liberals are universalists and humanists; it’s not part of our morality to highly value nations. So to claim dissent is patriotic — or that we’re supporting the troops, when in fact we’re opposing the war — is disingenuous.

“It just pisses people off.”

The University of Virginia scholar views such slogans as clumsy attempts to insist we all share the same values. In his view, these catch phrases are not only insincere — they’re also fundamentally wrong. Liberals and conservatives, he insists, inhabit different moral universes. There is some overlap in belief systems, but huge differences in emphasis.

In a creative attempt to move beyond red-state/blue-state clichés, Haidt has created a framework that codifies mankind’s multiplicity of moralities. His outline is simultaneously startling and reassuring — startling in its stark depiction of our differences, and reassuring in that it brings welcome clarity to an arena where murkiness of motivation often breeds contention.

He views the demonization that has marred American political debate in recent decades as a massive failure in moral imagination. We assume everyone’s ethical compass points in the same direction and label those whose views don’t align with our sense of right and wrong as either misguided or evil. In fact, he argues, there are multiple due norths.

“I think of liberals as colorblind,” he says in a hushed tone that conveys the quiet intensity of a low-key crusader. “We have finely tuned sensors for harm and injustice but are blind to other moral dimensions. Look at the way the word ‘wall’ is used in liberal discourse. It’s almost always related to the idea that we have to knock them down.

“Well, if we knock down all the walls, we’re sitting out in the rain and cold! We need some structure.”

Haidt is best known as the author of The Happiness Hypothesis, a lively look at recent research into the sources of lasting contentment. But his central focus — and the subject of his next book, scheduled to be published in fall 2010 — is the intersection of psychology and morality. His research examines the wellsprings of ethical beliefs and why they differ across classes and cultures.

Last September, in a widely circulated Internet essay titled Why People Vote Republican, Haidt chastised Democrats who believe blue-collar workers have been duped into voting against their economic interests. In fact, he asserted forcefully, traditionalists are driven to the GOP by moral impulses liberals don’t share (which is fine) or understand (which is not).

To some, this dynamic is deeply depressing. “The educated moral relativism worldview is fundamentally incompatible with the way 50 percent of America thinks, and stereotypes about out-of-touch elitist coastal Democrats are basically correct,” sighed the snarky Web site Gawker.com as it summarized his studies.

But others — including many fellow liberal academics — have greeted Haidt’s ideas as liberating.

“Jonathan is a thoughtful and somewhat flamboyant theorist,” says Dan McAdams, a Northwestern University research psychologist and award-winning author. “We don’t have that many of those in academic psychology. I really appreciate his lively mind.”

“Psychology, as a field, has lots and lots of data, but we don’t have very many good new ideas,” agrees Dennis Proffitt, chairman of the University of Virginia psychology department. “They are rare in our field, but Jon is full of good new ideas.”

An unapologetic liberal atheist, Haidt has a remarkable ability to describe opposing viewpoints without condescension or distortion. He forcefully expresses his own political opinions but understands how they are informed by his underlying moral orientation. In an era where deadlocked debates so often end with a dismissive “you just don’t get it,” he gets it.

Four years ago, he recalls, “I wanted to help Democrats press the right buttons because the Republicans were out-messaging them.

“I no longer want to be a part of that effort. What I want to do now is help both sides understand the other, so that policies can be made based on something more than misguided fear of what the other side is up to.”

Haidt’s journey into ethical self-awareness began during his senior year of high school in Westchester County, N.Y. “I had an existential crisis straight out of Woody Allen,” he recalls. “If there’s no God, how can there be a meaning to life? And if there’s no meaning, why should I do my homework? So I decided to become a philosophy major and find out the meaning of life.”

Once he began his studies at Yale, however, he found philosophy “generally boring, dry and irrelevant.” So he gradually gravitated to the field of psychology, ultimately earning his doctorate at the University of Pennsylvania. There he met several influential teachers, including anthropologist Alan Fiske and Paul Rozin, an expert on the psychology of food and the emotion of disgust. Fascinated by Rozin’s research, Haidt wrote his dissertation on moral judgment of disgusting but harmless actions – a study that helped point the way to his later findings.

As part of that early research, Haidt and a colleague, Brazilian psychologist Silvia Koller, posed a series of provocative questions to people in both Brazil and the U.S. One of the most revealing was: How would you react if a family ate the body of its pet dog, which had been accidentally run over that morning?

“There were differences between nations, but the biggest differences were across social classes within each nation,” Haidt recalls. “Students at a private school in Philadelphia thought it was just as gross, but it wasn’t harming anyone; their attitude was rationalist and harm-based. But when you moved down in social class or into Brazil, morality is based not on just harm. It’s also about loyalty and family and authority and respect and purity. That was an important early finding.”

On the strength of that paper, Haidt went to work for Richard Shweder, a cultural anthropologist at the University of Chicago who arranged for his postdoc fellow to spend three months in India. Haidt refers to his time in Bhubaneshwar — an ancient city full of Hindu temples that retains a traditional form of morality with rigid cast and gender roles — as transformative.

“I found there is not really a way to say ‘thank you’ or ‘you’re welcome’ (in the local language),” he recalls. “There are ways of acknowledging appreciation, but saying ‘thank you’ and ‘you’re welcome’ didn’t make any emotional sense to them. Your stomach doesn’t say ‘thank you’ to your esophagus for passing the food to it! What I finally came to understand was to stop acting as if everybody was equal. Rather, each person had a job to do, and that made the social system run smoothly.”

Gradually getting past his reflexive Western attitudes, he realized that “the Confucian/Hindu traditional value structure is very good for maintaining order and continuity and stability, which is very important in the absence of good central governance. But if the goal is creativity, scientific insight and artistic achievement, these traditional societies pretty well squelch it. Modern liberalism, with its support for self-expression, is much more effective. I really saw the yin-yang.”

After returning to the U.S., Haidt accepted a position at the University of Virginia, where he continued to challenge the established wisdom in moral psychology. His colleagues were using data from middle-class American college students to draw sweeping conclusions about human nature. Proffitt remembers him arguing “with some passion” that they needed to widen their scope.

“Jon recognizes that diversity is not just the politically correct thing to do – it’s also the intelligent thing to do,” he says. “Seeing things from multiple perspectives gives you a much better view of the whole.”

In January 2005 — shortly after President Bush won re-election, to the shock and dismay of the left — Haidt was invited by a group of Democrats in Charlottesville, Va., to give a talk on morality and politics. There, for the first time, he explained to a group of liberals his conception of the moral world of cultural conservatives.

“They were very open to what I was saying,” he says. “I discovered there was a real hunger among liberals to figure out what the hell was going on.”

Haidt’s framework of political morality can be traced back to a dispute between two important thinkers: Shweder, who would go on to become his mentor, and legendary Harvard psychologist Lawrence Kohlberg. In his 1981 volume The Philosophy of Moral Development, Kohlberg essentially argued that other moral systems are mere stepping-stones on a path that will eventually lead the entire world to embrace Western humanist values. Reviewing the book for the journal Contemporary Psychology, Shweder politely but effectively tore that notion apart.

Citing his extensive research on traditional Indian culture, Shweder pointed out the inconsistencies and lack of convincing evidence behind Kohlberg’s arguments. Agreeing with philosopher Isaiah Berlin, Shweder asserted — and continues to assert — that a range of ethical systems have always coexisted and most likely always will. In a 1997 paper co-written with three colleagues, he broke down primal moral impulses into a “big three”: autonomy, community and divinity.

Haidt found Shweder’s ideas persuasive but incomplete. Agreeing with evolutionary theorist James Q. Wilson, he concluded that any full view of the origins of human morality would have to take into account not only culture (as analyzed by anthropologists) but also evolution. He reasoned it was highly unlikely humans would care so much about morality unless moral instincts and emotions had become a part of human nature. He began to suspect that morality evolved not just to help individuals as they competed and cooperated with other individuals, but also to help groups as they competed and cooperated with other groups.

“Morality is not just about how we treat each other, as most liberals think,” he argues. “It is also about binding groups together and supporting essential institutions.”

With all that in mind, Haidt identified five foundational moral impulses. As succinctly defined by Northwestern University’s McAdams, they are:

Harm/care. It is wrong to hurt people; it is good to relieve suffering.

Fairness/reciprocity. Justice and fairness are good; people have certain rights that need to be upheld in social interactions.

In-group loyalty. People should be true to their group and be wary of threats from the outside. Allegiance, loyalty and patriotism are virtues; betrayal is bad.

Authority/respect. People should respect social hierarchy; social order is necessary for
human life.

Purity/sanctity. The body and certain aspects of life are sacred. Cleanliness and health, as well as their derivatives of chastity and piety, are all good. Pollution, contamination and the associated character traits of lust and greed are all bad.

Haidt’s research reveals that liberals feel strongly about the first two dimensions — preventing harm and ensuring fairness — but often feel little, or even feel negatively, about the other three. Conservatives, on the other hand, are drawn to loyalty, authority and purity, which liberals tend to think of as backward or outdated. People on the right acknowledge the importance of harm prevention and fairness but not with quite the same energy or passion as those on the left.

Libertarian essayist Will Wilkinson of the Cato Institute — one of many self-reflective political thinkers who are intrigued by Haidt’s hypothesis — puts it this way: “While the five foundations are universal, cultures build upon each to varying degrees. Imagine five adjustable slides on a stereo equalizer that can be turned up or down to produce different balances of sound. An equalizer preset like ‘Show Tunes’ will turn down the bass and ‘Hip Hop’ will turn it up, but neither turns it off.

“Similarly, societies modulate the dimension of moral emotions differently, creating a distinctive cultural profile of moral feeling, judgment and justification. If you’re a sharia devotee ready to stone adulterers and slaughter infidels, you have purity and in-group pushed up to 11. PETA members, who vibrate to the pain of other species, have turned in-group way down and harm way up.”

McAdams was first exposed to these ideas about three years ago, when he heard Haidt speak at a conference. Around that same time, he was analyzing information he had compiled from interviews with 150 highly religious middle-aged Americans — men and women from across the political spectrum who had described in detail the ways they find meaning in their lives. Realizing this was an excellent test case for Haidt’s theories, McAdams started comparing the comments of self-described liberals and conservatives.

Sure enough, “Conservatives spoke in moving terms about respecting authority and order,” he found. “Liberals invested just as much emotion in describing their commitment to justice and equality. Liberals feel authority is a minor-league moral issue; for us, the major leaguers are harm and fairness.”

It’s hard to play ball when you can’t agree who deserves to be a big leaguer.

Of Haidt’s five moral realms, the one that causes the most friction between cosmopolitan liberals and traditionalist conservatives is purity/sanctity. To a 21st-century secular liberal, the concept barely registers. Haidt notes it was part of the Western vocabulary as recently as the Victorian era but lost its force in the early 20th century when modern rules of proper hygiene were codified. With the physical properties of contamination understood, the moral symbolism of impurity no longer carried much weight.

But the impulse remains lodged in our psyches, turning up in both obvious and surprising ways. You can hear strong echoes of it when the pope rails against materialism, insisting we have been put on Earth to serve a loftier purpose than shopping until we drop. It can also be found in the nondenominational spiritual belief that we all contain within us a piece of the divine. (Although it’s sometimes used in a tongue-in-cheek way in our society, the phrase “my body is a temple” is reflective of the purity/sanctity impulse.)

“The question is: Do you see the world as simply matter?” Haidt asks. “If so, people can do whatever they want, as long as they don’t hurt other people. Or do you see more dimensions to life? Do you want to live in a higher, nobler way than simply the pursuit of pleasure? That often requires not acting on your impulses, making sacrifices for others. It implies a reverence — which is a nonrational feeling — towards human life.”

Consider two letters to the editor in a recent issue of the Ventura (Calif.) Breeze. The weekly newspaper has been chronicling a controversy about a 19th-century cemetery that gradually fell into disrepair and, since the early 1960s, has been used as a dog park. Some descendents of the people buried there are demanding that it be restored as a proper burial place.

“Why is there even a debate?” wrote one angry resident. He referred to the park as “this holy ground” and admonished city officials: “Your values and judgment need some serious realignment.” But a second reader looked at the controversy from a more practical perspective, noting that public funds are limited in these tough economic times. Besides, he added, “the park is full of life now, and I’m sorry if this sounds harsh, but life is for the living.”

Both arguments are rooted in firm moral beliefs. It’s just that for the first correspondent, purity/sanctity is paramount, while for the second it’s of minimal importance.

Not surprisingly, Haidt’s data suggests purity/sanctity is the moral foundation that best predicts an individual’s attitude toward abortion. It also helps explain opposition to gay marriage. “If you think society is made up of individuals, and each individual has the right to do what he or she wants if they aren’t hurting anybody, it’s unfathomable why anyone would oppose gay marriage,” he says. “Liberals assume opponents must be homophobic.

“I know feelings of disgust do play into it. When you’re disgusted by something, you tend to come up with reasons why it’s wrong. But cultural conservatives, with their strong emphasis on social order, don’t see marriage primarily as an expression of one individual’s desire for another. They see the family as the foundation of society, and they fear that foundation is dissolving.”

Haidt doesn’t want religious fundamentalists dictating public policy to ensure it lines up with their specific moral code. Even if you perceive purity as a major-league issue, it doesn’t have to be on steroids. But he argues it is important that liberals recognize the strength that impulse retains with cultural conservatives and respect it rather than dismissing it as primitive.

“I see liberalism and conservatism as opposing principles that work well when in balance,” he says, noting that authority needs to be both upheld (as conservatives insist) and challenged (as liberals maintain). “It’s a basic design principle: You get better responsiveness if you have two systems pushing against each other. As individuals, we are very bad at finding the flaws in our own arguments. We all have a distorted perception of reality.”

Spend some time reading Haidt, and chances are you’ll begin to view day-to-day political arguments through a less-polarized lens. Should the Guantanamo Bay prison be closed? Of course, say liberals, whose harm/fairness receptors are acute. Not so fast, argue conservatives, whose finely attuned sense of in-group loyalty points to a proactive attitude toward outside threats.

Why any given individual grows up to become a conservative or a liberal is unclear. Haidt, like most contemporary social scientists, points to a combination of genes and environment — not one’s family of origin so much as the neighborhood and society whose values you absorbed. (Current research suggests that peers may actually have a stronger impact than parents in this regard.)

In his quest to “help people overcome morally motivated misunderstandings,” Haidt has set up a couple of Web sites, www.civilpolitics.org and www.yourmorals.org. At the latter, you can take a quiz that will locate you on his moral map. For fun, you can also answer the questions you think the way your political opposite would respond. Haidt had both liberals and conservatives do just that in the laboratory, and the results are sobering for those on the left: Conservatives understood them a lot better than they understood conservatives.

“Liberals tend to have a very optimistic view of human nature,” he says. “They tend to be uncomfortable about punishment — of their own children, of criminals, anyone. I do believe that if liberals ran the whole world, it would fall apart. But if conservatives ran the whole world, it would be so restrictive and uncreative that it would be rather unpleasant, too.”

The concept of authority resonates so weakly in liberals that “it makes it difficult for liberal organizations to function,” Haidt says. (Will Rogers was right on target when he proclaimed, “I don’t belong to an organized political party. I’m a Democrat.”) On the other hand, he notes, the Republicans’ tendency to blindly follow their leader proved disastrous over the past eight years.
“Look how horribly the GOP had to screw up to alienate many conservatives,” muses Dallas Morning News columnist and BeliefNet blogger Rod Dreher, an Orthodox Christian, unorthodox conservative and Haidt fan. “In the end, the GOP, the conservative movement and the nation would have been better served had we on the right not been so yellow-dog loyal. But as Haidt shows, it’s in our nature.”

Like Wilkinson, Dreher doesn’t fit cleanly into the left-right spectrum; he reports that taking Haidt’s test (showing he scored high on certain liberal values but also on some conservative ones) helped him understand why. He’s appreciative of that insight and admiring of the way the psychologist is able to set aside the inherent prejudice we all share in favor of our own moral outlook. “It’s hard for any of us to get outside our own heads and perform acts of empathy with people we don’t much like,” he notes.

In higher education, as in so many other fields, the best way to negotiate a pay raise is to get a competing offer. Not infrequently, an academic will entertain an offer from an institution he or she isn’t really interested in joining, specifically so he can get a salary offer, take it back to his current employer and demand it be matched.

Haidt found himself in just that situation a few years back. But as he explained to Proffitt, his department chair, he was uncomfortable with the notion of lying to gain leverage.

“He told me, ‘I know that if I was offered the position, I could get a big raise here. But I study ethics! I can’t do that! That would be wrong!’ He felt he wouldn’t be playing fair with the people from the other university, who were putting out money and effort to recruit him.”

“That game is played by a lot of people, but Jon would not,” Proffitt says. “He elected not to do that on purely ethical grounds. That decision cost him at least $30,000 a year.”

But was he guided by the harm/care instinct? Or fairness/reciprocity? Or did the conservative value of in-group loyalty, which tends to lie dormant in liberals such as Haidt, emerge under these unusual circumstances and convince him to be true to his school?

The most likely answer is “all of the above.” The point is Haidt realized the wrongness of that behavior in his gut and acted on instinct.

In making such decisions, he is setting a rigorous moral example for his son, Max, who turns 3 in July. Haidt would be pleased if, by the time Max gets to secondary school, the study of ethics is part of the curriculum. “If I had my way, moral psychology would be a mandatory part of high-school civics classes, and civics classes would be a mandatory part of all Americans’ education,” he says. “Understanding there are multiple perspectives on the good society, all of which are morally motivated, would go a long way toward helping us interact in a civil manner.”

Shweder cheers him on in that crusade. “I think this is terribly important,” he says. “People are not going to converge on their judgments of what’s good or bad, or right and wrong. Diversity is inherent in our species. And in a globalized world, we’re going to be bumping into each other a lot.”

Whether they’re addressing the U.S. Congress or U.N. General Assembly, Haidt has astute advice for policy advocates: Frame your argument to appeal to as many points as possible on the moral spectrum. He believes President Obama did just that in his inaugural address, which utilized “a broad array of virtue words, including ‘courage,’ ‘loyalty,’ ‘patriotism’ and ‘duty,’ to reach out and reassure conservatives.”

Haidt notes that the environmental movement was started by liberals, who were presumably driven by the harm/care impulse. But conservative Evangelical Christians are increasingly taking up the cause, propelled by the urge to respect authority. “They’re driven by the idea that God gave man dominion over the Earth, and keeping the planet healthy is our sacred responsibility,” he notes. “If we simply rape, pillage, destroy and consume, we’re abusing the power given to us by God.

“The climate crisis and the economic crisis are interesting, because neither has a human enemy. These are not crises that turn us against an out-group, so they’re not really designed to bring us together, but they can be used for that. I hope and think we are ready, demographically and historically, for a less polarized era.”

But that will require peeling off some bumper stickers. Contrary to the assertion adhered onto Volvos, dissent and patriotism are very different impulses. But Haidt persuasively argues that both are essential to a healthy democracy, and the interplay between them — when kept within respectful bounds — is a source of vitality and strength. “Morality,” he insists, “is a team sport.”

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About Tom Jacobs

Staff writer Tom Jacobs is a veteran journalist with more than 20 years experience at daily newspapers. He has served as a staff writer for The Los Angeles Daily News and the Santa Barbara News-Press. His work has also appeared in The Los Angeles Times, Chicago Tribune and Ventura County Star.

  • Schneider Andrew

    This is one of the most interesting articles I have read on the subject in quite some time. I have shared it with my friends — liberal and conservative alike. It is my sincere belief that if we can find a way to open a genuine dialogue with one another, we may be able to take this country back from the abyss. This article might make a good starting point.

  • Anonymous User

    This is a wonderful article. The thought behind it is unique and interesting. I have always believed that the ability to understand and interact with all components of society is crucial to society and the best interests of conservatives & liberals. At the same time, I have also seen too much “I’m right, you’re wrong” arguing that retards rather than encourages cooperation.

  • Greyes Natch

    I’m impressed with the findings here, keep up the good work. I’ve written a bit more: http://natchgreyes.blogspot.com/2009/04/americans-moral-ideology.html

  • Derek Maddox

    This was a very interesting article. As a conservative, I’m not sure I totally agree with the author’s application of the five basic moralities to my political or moral positions. To my mind, the overwhelming driving force in conservatism (as opposed to religious fundamentalism, which many progressives confuse and conflate with conservatism) would be fairness/reciprocity. We view as unjust the taking of profit, gains, and property from one individual to give it to another. The real reason for my comments, though, comes from one line of the article that rang out like a gong: “Republicans’ tendency to blindly follow their leader proved disastrous over the past eight years.” If this is the author’s interpretation of Haidt’s work, it shows that he totally missed the point. If they’re Haidt’s own words, then it points out a glaring inconsistency in his application of his own research. If Haidt’s research is accurate (and I’m not really sure it is) then Republicans weren’t blindly following anyone. They were being true to their own moral compass, a compass shared more by Bush than by Gore or Kerry. We aren’t acting out of ignorance or foolishness, as many liberals and progressives would portray us, but out of carefully reasoned application of our own moral and philosophical purposes.

  • En Em

    “Liberals and conservatives, he insists, inhabit different moral universes”. I disagree. There is Only One Morality just as there is only one Reality.Let me quote the definition of Morality from the Objectivist philosophy: “What is morality, or ethics? It is a code of values to guide man’s choices and actions—the choices and actions that determine the purpose and the course of his life. Ethics, as a science, deals with discovering and defining such a code”.”The first question that has to be answered, as a precondition of any attempt to define, to judge or to accept any specific system of ethics, is: Why does man need a code of values?”Let me stress this. The first question is not: What particular code of values should man accept? The first question is: Does man need values at all—and why?The Objectivist philosophy will never stoop to ask questions that border on fantasy and the improbable, questions like “How would you react if a family ate the body of its pet dog, which had been accidentally run over that morning?”. And then philosophy “enthusiasts” wonder why life has no meaning.

  • Vincent Westerband

    Here’s the problem.People on the far right, want people to slavishly follow authority without making any questions. They are not opposed to using violence, they tend to by much more racist, religiously inclined, and tend to use religious doctrine to replace facts and standard education.What’s more, the leaders of their party, who tend to actually be well educated, affluent people, take full advantage of the mental weakness, and authoritarian mindsets of the people who follow them.Not just my words. Look up Bob Altemeyer’s: The Authoritarians. What’s more, they have been other studies that back up Mr. Altemeyer’s 40 year study. That’s right, a Forty Year professional study in just the type of behavior your describing.So, it’s not just about viewpoints. It’s about which groups tend to use their mental faculties to understand social situations, and which groups tend to have an actual functioning moral structure.Authoritarians don’t usually have a functional set of morals. They do what their leaders tell them, no questions asked. Those leaders can be a political group, a religious institution, or a corporate entity. The bigger, and more powerful, the better. The way they consider something right or wrong is if they leaders tell them if it’s right or wrong.When you consider that their leaders are the likes of Limbaugh, Rove, Hannity, Buchanan, O’Reilly, and others like them, who’ve been known to recommend violence against (even murder, in the case of Michael Reagan, Ron Reagan’s adopted son), or imprisonment of liberals (you can deny it, but remember, it’s been recorded, broadcasts, and shown to the world), then you have to wonder:Just how moral people on the far right actually are?By the way, Anyone want to talk about those church shootings, and the rise of right wing extremist white supremacist groups while we’re at it…… because I would just love to hear your take on that. After all, they’re just rational people expressing their viewpoints…. Right?At least, that’s what you guys claim.Me. I know better.This report of yours is not exactly honest. It tries to paint something rather evil, into something that isn’t quite so bad.I have to wonder what your motivations are.

  • Lenny Robinson

    This article evokes much potential for discussion, if not debate, on a great many issues. I am impressed with how ultimately meaningless distinctions-conservative verses liberal-still take center stage in public discourse. People don’t shoot people in churches or schools or neither did they burn crosses or paint racists or anti-gay objections because they are politcally correct, right or left bank. Hatred comes from the corruption of the human condition which is essentially a spiritual/moral depravity.

  • Dana Dana

    En Em says that conservatives have no morals and want to kill people. That is the problem right there. And yes, there are conservatives who sincerely believe that liberals are evil.Haidt should write about how this relates to other cultures. The west is the only place that is liberal. Western conservatives are liberal by the standards of every other part of the world. People value their families, their nation/race/ethnic group, their religion, their traditions, their honor. They way that most western liberals think is foreign to them. It would not be possible for instance, for a christian to immigrate to a majority muslim country and build a church and convert people to his religion. It is unthinkable. Many hundreds of millions place great emphasis on purity, the purity of their religion and the purity of their women. To have a daughter come home and say I am pregnant is something they cannot conceive of. Yet here, a conservative like Sarah Palin cannot prevent her daughter from having sex. And she can’t punish her for it either. For hundreds of millions the idea of not having a God or making fun of religion is horrible. They will punish those who do it by killing them. This is how people live. It is the west that for some reason took a different turn. Haidt should clarify what a liberal is. A person who says I prefer the Taliban to the US is not a liberal. Yet we often think that being anti american or liking Cuba or Iran is a sign of liberalism. It will be interesting to see how the increasing “diversity” of the west changes the culture. Will the non western comers become more liberal or will we become like them? Something will change, that much is certain.

  • Anonymous User

    In almost every issue I find an article that is really thought provoking. But where do I go next? I’m a retired academic, how about giving two or three suggested readings, rather than haiving us search trhough Google Scholar or ERIC or whatever? I’d appreciate it, more importantly, I suspect so would a lot of other readers.

  • Brett Barndt

    Great article and glad to know more of this research is going on. I’ve seen similar in other places. The big issues is however, that Socrates (‘fairness/reciprocity’,'harm/care’)vs Callicles (‘in-group/loyalty’, ‘sanctity/purity’, ‘authority/respect’ for “big tough men”) conflict clearly shows what values were proven best for a prosperous well-functioning society. Or “good society” as you mention in the article. These are not the values of ‘in-group loyalty’ or ‘sanctity/purity’ or ‘authority/respect’ but rather ‘fairness/reciprocity’ and ‘harm/care’. Suppressing individual abilities of strong tough guys to dominate and control others was the way toward a democratic society that give equal rights and access to everyone. The “in-group” loyalty example you use with Guantanamo and torture can equally be seen as a threat to “in-group” values the US has long held, the Constitution, Habeus Corpus (denied under George III and a major impetus for revolution), and the whole spirit of the Enlightenment. These allegedly ‘conservative’ values so openly held by so many represent a threat from within. A threat caused by a distinct memory lapse of the central tenets of Western Culture that, when applied in the US for the first time in history, led to the greatest social transformation and paved the way to greater prosperity for more than any other “in-group/loyalty” , or “sanctity/purity” driven system ever did. Also, important to ask the question why upwardly mobile or upper-middle-class kids value ‘fairness/reciprocity’ or ‘harm/care’ when the lower economic status kids are stuck in a more brutal Callicles inspired world, playing out in their lives, as well as maybe in their heads. They certainly aren’t demanding ‘fairness/reciprocity’, or ‘harm/care’ for themselves from their current politicians. Maybe there is a connection there worth exploring about the conditions of our current democracy, and ‘equity/fairness’, ‘harm/care’ maybe not be equally distributed now, and so they play it out in a more defensive stance, rather than demanding change from their Congressional Representatives and Supreme Court Justices. For that reason perhaps, ‘fairness/reciprocity’ or ‘harm/care’is the exclusive domain of those with access to quality education and more of life’s riches.

  • Anonymous User

    So Jon what else is new?

  • William Fell

    I suggest the author listen for a few hours to Limbaugh and his clones, then judge what the differences between conservatives and liberals are.I consider conservatives to be ignorant dupes or intelligent dupers. George W Bush won his time on the throne because of hatred, pure and simple.The GOP would never have won if the South had not switched to that party because of racism. Why are conservatives against intellectuals, climate change theory, etc.

  • Springfield Reformer

    All in all, a very helpful article. It is, however, old ground, to some extent. Natural law theory has long contended that moral commonalities such as those identified exist among us because moral truth is inherent in the shared experience of living. Not everyone agrees as to what fairness entails, but all agree that fairness as a principle exists and should be used in the ethical calculus. The problem with recognizing such commonalities is that they tend to admit the allegedly irrational belief in a universal moral order, with the notion of deity stepping softly behind. I for one am not uncomfortable with that.

    As for the last comment on dissent versus patriotism as contradictory sentiments, as a patriot, I must respectfully dissent. The position that these are irreconcilable opposites assumes that one cannot be loyal and disloyal at the same time. That may be true, but only if the object of the emotion is identical in both instances. For those conservatism Americans who saw the incessant undermining of Bush as disloyal, the object of loyalty was some conception of the successful defense of America as both a group and an idea, the paradigm of individual liberty and opportunity.

    For these same Americans to turn around and express extreme dissent with the economic policies of the Obama Administration is in fact a continuation of that same loyalty to the same American idea, and is even directed to the benefit of the group, which is seen as being threatened as to it’s essential character by said administration, which is the true object of disloyalty (or non-loyalty).

    Thus there can be circumstances where a more nuanced analysis will show there is no conflict of principle, that ordinary people, unwashed as they are, still have a remarkable way of deducing a coherent ethical response in a complex situation. Yet another argument for natural law, and against oversimplification.

  • Anonymous

    “Lila” by Robert Pirsig deals with morals and values. Fascinating book…changed my life.

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